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		<title>By: Water Damage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Water Damage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also can not believe the liquid guys were acquitted! Should this mean they should now remove so many of the ridiculous liquid restrictions?</description>
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		<title>By: The Beaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A search under your handle  led me to &quot;Travel Buzz&#039; but when I clicked on said thread , I received &quot; Invalid Thread specified&quot; message. Some Mods must have deleted the thread but usually they will just lock or close it. very strange indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A search under your handle  led me to &#8220;Travel Buzz&#8217; but when I clicked on said thread , I received &#8221; Invalid Thread specified&#8221; message. Some Mods must have deleted the thread but usually they will just lock or close it. very strange indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex:&lt;br/&gt;I will have a look, I posted it on the &#039;Lounge&#039; in Flyertalk. There was one person complaining these subjects had been talked about before.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is maybe why it has been deleted.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyways.. hope you can keep warm in Montreal! Was there this time of the year, last year...  ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex:<br />I will have a look, I posted it on the &#8216;Lounge&#8217; in Flyertalk. There was one person complaining these subjects had been talked about before.</p>
<p>That is maybe why it has been deleted.</p>
<p>Anyways.. hope you can keep warm in Montreal! Was there this time of the year, last year&#8230;  <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the thread seems to have been deleted on FT. Don&#039;t know why... strange.  If ever you make it back to Montreal, I&#039;ll be happy to buy you a beer.  Cheers, Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the thread seems to have been deleted on FT. Don&#8217;t know why&#8230; strange.  If ever you make it back to Montreal, I&#8217;ll be happy to buy you a beer.  Cheers, Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;thanks, I had already crossposted these questions to Flyertalk. Thanks for the tip, though!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.</description>
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<p>thanks, I had already crossposted these questions to Flyertalk. Thanks for the tip, though!</p>
<p>P.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you know you can get in big trouble for asking such questions?  You&#039;re supposed to be compliant with all these rules, which exist only for your own good!  ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t know if you know Flyertalk, but this forum deals precisely with the silliness you describe: http://flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=222  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would you mind if I post a link to your Blog there?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers from Montreal,&lt;br/&gt;Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you know you can get in big trouble for asking such questions?  You&#8217;re supposed to be compliant with all these rules, which exist only for your own good!  <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if you know Flyertalk, but this forum deals precisely with the silliness you describe: <a href="http://flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=222" rel="nofollow">http://flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=222</a>  </p>
<p>Would you mind if I post a link to your Blog there?</p>
<p>Cheers from Montreal,<br />Alex</p>
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		<title>By: The Beaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let&#039;s hope no zealous airport security employees ( hoping to get that promotion)  put some white stuff or some waki-tabaki in your luggage just to test how sensitive their security apparatus or tools are. Both the Japanese and the French couldn&#039;t recuperate their loot because they forgot which bags were under &quot;test&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope no zealous airport security employees ( hoping to get that promotion)  put some white stuff or some waki-tabaki in your luggage just to test how sensitive their security apparatus or tools are. Both the Japanese and the French couldn&#8217;t recuperate their loot because they forgot which bags were under &#8220;test&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>duty free on arrival...solves the problem!</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a few weeks back that the airports did and illegal action by taking the liquids away from passengers. By the way--&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How come I can get onboard with all the liquids I want if I have an infant while if I travelled with my 10 year old daughter I would not?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is one of my children more dear to me than the other so I cant blow up a plane? seriously...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a few weeks back that the airports did and illegal action by taking the liquids away from passengers. By the way&#8211;</p>
<p>How come I can get onboard with all the liquids I want if I have an infant while if I travelled with my 10 year old daughter I would not?</p>
<p>Is one of my children more dear to me than the other so I cant blow up a plane? seriously&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To keep the conversation going I copied and pasted some of the comments made on this post in &quot;Reddit&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;My reply is in bold - Peter&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One person went through point by point. &lt;b&gt;My reply is in bold - Peter&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Because (at least where I&#039;ve been) they wrap your duty free liquids in a sealed bag and stamp it to show that it has been sold at the duty free and is therefore definetely free of danger. &lt;b&gt;My question remains: why can&#039;t we screen carryon in the same way&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Do you have access to your check in luggage on board? I didn&#039;t think so. &lt;b&gt;dangerous goods are dangerous goods&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &lt;br/&gt;3. Some people go to great lengths to hide things. &lt;b&gt;exactly my point. And I don&#039;t even try anything malicious. So if *I* can get away with it, why can&#039;t those who intent to harm?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &lt;br/&gt;4. (first number 4)They can see it in the X-Ray machine. (second number 4)So you&#039;re going to just get up with a bottle, and smash it? With a knife you can be surreptitious, just grab someone and cut them. With a bottle you must prepare it (i.e. smash it). &lt;b&gt;aha&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &lt;br/&gt;5. I don&#039;t know. You&#039;ve got me there, why not tell them so they can give us some crappy plastic ones? &lt;b&gt;no, I want to take my Leatherman on board, mummyyyyy! ;-)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &lt;br/&gt;6. I&#039;m sure you can&#039;t do much with a guitar string. And if someone saw you wrapping wire around your hands I&#039;m sure it&#039;d be reported or something. &lt;b&gt; aha&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &lt;br/&gt;7. You&#039;re just getting pedantic here; everything is dangerous if used in the right way. Hell, I can choke someone with a teddy bear, that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s dangerous. &lt;b&gt;my point exactly. my point of the whole post&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &lt;br/&gt;8. You believe things that happen in movies? &lt;b&gt;It must be true, I saw it on the telly! ;-) &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   &lt;br/&gt;9. Don&#039;t know about you, but I don&#039;t think you can take syringes on a plane except for medical reasons with a note from a hospital/surgery/g.p.&#039;s clinic. &lt;b&gt;I always could take seringes and ampoules. Always could. Without medical certificate even. Actually I forgot all about them and several of them found in a forgotten corner of my carryon trolley.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;10. Not sure, but I think there&#039;s a way to differentiate between a bottle of compressed air and a bottle of liquid with a timer and circuits attached to it. &lt;b&gt;compressed air bottles are considered dangerous goods. There does not have to be a timer connected to it.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;11. I don&#039;t know. &lt;b&gt;me neither. I was pissed off, and she thought I was pissed off at her. And I was not. Really, I wasn&#039;t! ;-)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;12.Because they all have different opinions on what&#039;s acceptable. What&#039;s your point? &lt;b&gt;Either we tighten security, or we don&#039;t. If so, there should only be one norm. Not a random norm left to personal interpretations, or national interpretations.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;13. Which airports? &lt;b&gt;All of the Italian airports I have been to, including Fiumicino (Rome)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;14. Don&#039;t think you can... Have you been travelling at any legit airports? &lt;b&gt;I tell ya... Happened twice to me: Rome (Fiumicino) and Gran Canaria&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;15. Because there are a lot of I.D. companies out there and sometimes they have to give you the benefit of the doubt. &lt;b&gt;I really don&#039;t want the benefit of the doubt. Security rules should not be left for interpretation...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;16. Not all laptop batteries can explode! That&#039;s a manufacturing defect and these batteries get recalled the same way that teddy bears with knives hidden inside get recalled. &lt;b&gt;Tests have proven that any damaged battery is a liability.. Saw some awesome videos on YouTube about this subject!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;17. Yes. &lt;b&gt;Well better be safe than sorry. Wished once was enough&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;18. I&#039;m sure they have cameras. &lt;b&gt;I am sure they weren&#039;t watching, as I stepped right through. They had security cameras taping the 9/11 hijackers too, by the way&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;19. Because she has a sense of humour, jackass. &lt;b&gt;name calling voided my will to answer&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;20. With you at all times inside the airport. I doubt anyone is going to stalk you for that long. &lt;b&gt;think the question was misunderstood. Many people have access to my luggage before I check it in.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;21. Crap security. &lt;b&gt;Ah.. my point. PS: Nowhere I know of in West-Europe, you are being checked when leaving the airport, to see if tags match ID!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;22. Thieves are a pretty adaptable lot. &lt;b&gt;my point exactly. So are terrorists&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;23. You shouldn&#039;t be able to... &lt;b&gt;My point exactly&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;24. Different sensitivity settings. &lt;b&gt;My point exactly&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;25. (a) You&#039;re a little motherly, I take it. (b) You&#039;re in a country with a shitty justice system? &lt;b&gt;At least in Europe I can still say something, I guess in the US TSA would arrest me for even thinking this way ;-))) &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;26. What? Don&#039;t they check your tickets on board too? &lt;b&gt;Well we got as far as up the stairs, when a surprised flight attendant said &quot;what are you doing here&quot;, and then started a whole discussion between her and the bus driver, with us walking around the plane. Talking to the guy refueling.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;27. You pay more for more space in the overhead bins. &lt;b&gt;I know, but at check in, they said it was for security reasons I could take only one. In some airports they have automated announcements at departures saying for security reasons only one piece is allowed. So why can they take it, and I can not, mum? ;-)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;28. Because you&#039;re an asshole who doesn&#039;t think that the airport needs to know how much weight the plane is carrying. &lt;b&gt;name calling voided my will to answer. It is a pity, as I had a good answer!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;29. Not sure. Why would you want 15 bags? Wouldn&#039;t you trip over customs laws? &lt;b&gt;you missed the point&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;30. Because these people have a lot of people to process, and they&#039;re looking for real criminals, not the latest idiot who thinks he&#039;s a bigshot for getting through a floppy disk. &lt;b&gt;Well at least the criminals will be grateful if they are lax&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;31. Because they mostly all have good answers, even if they&#039;re not above. &lt;b&gt;thanks at least for the efforts!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You asked 32 questions, mate. You can&#039;t even count. &lt;b&gt;So you noticed? ;-) &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;I like a good discussion, keep it coming, but withhold on name-calling please.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To keep the conversation going I copied and pasted some of the comments made on this post in &#8220;Reddit&#8221;.</p>
<p><b>My reply is in bold &#8211; Peter</b></p>
<p>One person went through point by point. <b>My reply is in bold &#8211; Peter</b></p>
<p>1. Because (at least where I&#8217;ve been) they wrap your duty free liquids in a sealed bag and stamp it to show that it has been sold at the duty free and is therefore definetely free of danger. <b>My question remains: why can&#8217;t we screen carryon in the same way</b></p>
<p>2. Do you have access to your check in luggage on board? I didn&#8217;t think so. <b>dangerous goods are dangerous goods</b></p>
<p>3. Some people go to great lengths to hide things. <b>exactly my point. And I don&#8217;t even try anything malicious. So if *I* can get away with it, why can&#8217;t those who intent to harm?</b></p>
<p>4. (first number 4)They can see it in the X-Ray machine. (second number 4)So you&#8217;re going to just get up with a bottle, and smash it? With a knife you can be surreptitious, just grab someone and cut them. With a bottle you must prepare it (i.e. smash it). <b>aha</b></p>
<p>5. I don&#8217;t know. You&#8217;ve got me there, why not tell them so they can give us some crappy plastic ones? <b>no, I want to take my Leatherman on board, mummyyyyy! <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </b></p>
<p>6. I&#8217;m sure you can&#8217;t do much with a guitar string. And if someone saw you wrapping wire around your hands I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;d be reported or something. <b> aha</b></p>
<p>7. You&#8217;re just getting pedantic here; everything is dangerous if used in the right way. Hell, I can choke someone with a teddy bear, that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s dangerous. <b>my point exactly. my point of the whole post</b></p>
<p>8. You believe things that happen in movies? <b>It must be true, I saw it on the telly! <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </b></p>
<p>9. Don&#8217;t know about you, but I don&#8217;t think you can take syringes on a plane except for medical reasons with a note from a hospital/surgery/g.p.&#8217;s clinic. <b>I always could take seringes and ampoules. Always could. Without medical certificate even. Actually I forgot all about them and several of them found in a forgotten corner of my carryon trolley.</b></p>
<p>10. Not sure, but I think there&#8217;s a way to differentiate between a bottle of compressed air and a bottle of liquid with a timer and circuits attached to it. <b>compressed air bottles are considered dangerous goods. There does not have to be a timer connected to it.</b></p>
<p>11. I don&#8217;t know. <b>me neither. I was pissed off, and she thought I was pissed off at her. And I was not. Really, I wasn&#8217;t! <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </b></p>
<p>12.Because they all have different opinions on what&#8217;s acceptable. What&#8217;s your point? <b>Either we tighten security, or we don&#8217;t. If so, there should only be one norm. Not a random norm left to personal interpretations, or national interpretations.</b></p>
<p>13. Which airports? <b>All of the Italian airports I have been to, including Fiumicino (Rome)</b></p>
<p>14. Don&#8217;t think you can&#8230; Have you been travelling at any legit airports? <b>I tell ya&#8230; Happened twice to me: Rome (Fiumicino) and Gran Canaria</b></p>
<p>15. Because there are a lot of I.D. companies out there and sometimes they have to give you the benefit of the doubt. <b>I really don&#8217;t want the benefit of the doubt. Security rules should not be left for interpretation&#8230;</b></p>
<p>16. Not all laptop batteries can explode! That&#8217;s a manufacturing defect and these batteries get recalled the same way that teddy bears with knives hidden inside get recalled. <b>Tests have proven that any damaged battery is a liability.. Saw some awesome videos on YouTube about this subject!</b></p>
<p>17. Yes. <b>Well better be safe than sorry. Wished once was enough</b></p>
<p>18. I&#8217;m sure they have cameras. <b>I am sure they weren&#8217;t watching, as I stepped right through. They had security cameras taping the 9/11 hijackers too, by the way</b></p>
<p>19. Because she has a sense of humour, jackass. <b>name calling voided my will to answer</b> </p>
<p>20. With you at all times inside the airport. I doubt anyone is going to stalk you for that long. <b>think the question was misunderstood. Many people have access to my luggage before I check it in.</b></p>
<p>21. Crap security. <b>Ah.. my point. PS: Nowhere I know of in West-Europe, you are being checked when leaving the airport, to see if tags match ID!</b></p>
<p>22. Thieves are a pretty adaptable lot. <b>my point exactly. So are terrorists</b></p>
<p>23. You shouldn&#8217;t be able to&#8230; <b>My point exactly</b></p>
<p>24. Different sensitivity settings. <b>My point exactly</b></p>
<p>25. (a) You&#8217;re a little motherly, I take it. (b) You&#8217;re in a country with a shitty justice system? <b>At least in Europe I can still say something, I guess in the US TSA would arrest me for even thinking this way <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )) </b></p>
<p>26. What? Don&#8217;t they check your tickets on board too? <b>Well we got as far as up the stairs, when a surprised flight attendant said &#8220;what are you doing here&#8221;, and then started a whole discussion between her and the bus driver, with us walking around the plane. Talking to the guy refueling.</b></p>
<p>27. You pay more for more space in the overhead bins. <b>I know, but at check in, they said it was for security reasons I could take only one. In some airports they have automated announcements at departures saying for security reasons only one piece is allowed. So why can they take it, and I can not, mum? <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </b></p>
<p>28. Because you&#8217;re an asshole who doesn&#8217;t think that the airport needs to know how much weight the plane is carrying. <b>name calling voided my will to answer. It is a pity, as I had a good answer!</b></p>
<p>29. Not sure. Why would you want 15 bags? Wouldn&#8217;t you trip over customs laws? <b>you missed the point</b></p>
<p>30. Because these people have a lot of people to process, and they&#8217;re looking for real criminals, not the latest idiot who thinks he&#8217;s a bigshot for getting through a floppy disk. <b>Well at least the criminals will be grateful if they are lax</b></p>
<p>31. Because they mostly all have good answers, even if they&#8217;re not above. <b>thanks at least for the efforts!</b></p>
<p>You asked 32 questions, mate. You can&#8217;t even count. <b>So you noticed? <img src='http://petercasier.be/writing/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </b></p>
<p><b>I like a good discussion, keep it coming, but withhold on name-calling please.</b></p>
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